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Social Media Measurements Don't Always Add Up

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ahdand
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
ahdand   11/8/2011 3:07:10 AM
On what basis is Social Media is measured ?

davidmanheim
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
davidmanheim   11/7/2011 9:37:49 AM
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Shawn,

Many aspects of the businesses evolve rapidly, but others clearly do not. If regulators target the fixed portion of the business models, they would have more success. For instance, if the regulators of privacy were to require that users be aware of the privacy level, then a combination of random user surveys and checks on actual adherence would be, I think, surprisingly effective at gauging the effectiveness of online social privacy regimes. And if the regulators targeted this as a metric, it would be effective at changing the transparency about privacy.

davidmanheim
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
davidmanheim   11/7/2011 9:09:34 AM
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The issue is one of motivations, as I have pointed out in the past. Comapnies have exactly one purpose, and that is to maximize profit. If you want to enforce standards, you need to really understand what it means that the only goal of a company is to maximize profit; it means that unless the standards are able to break through the singleminded pursuit of profit, they will fail. The way this is done can vary - perhaps it would be by imposing fines more than commensurate to the cost for the business to comply, but more likely subtler measures ould be more effective.

The question for regulators is what leverage they have in the business model of the companies they regulate. The simplest leverage point is useless, and most frequently employed - they can create additional burden, therby driving up the overall cost, whether the business is compliant or not.

Louis Watson
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
Louis Watson   11/4/2011 5:57:28 PM
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@Broadway @Shawn  I agree with you both, setting up regulatory bodies for privacy standards on major sites like FB and Google will not in my opinion be very easy to enforce. 
 
These "privacy standards" seem to be subject to the whims of a particular company.


Broadway
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
Broadway   11/3/2011 10:30:07 PM
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Shawn, you are correct. FB and Google regularly make a mockery of privacy "standards." At this point, I think standards come down to what the user body tolerates. Anger the users, and even all-mighty FB bows before them.

Shawn Hessinger
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
Shawn Hessinger   11/3/2011 3:10:38 PM
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Hi Marshall,

Just to play devil's advocate for the moment, don't standards face the same problem as technology, in this case setting up rules and proceedures for a medium evolving so rapidly that most might be obsolete by the time they are agreed upon? Consider how linking standards in online media have been slow to adjust to reality including one proposed regulation suggesting that deep links, to a place other than a site's main landing page, was bad etiquette. (I'm not making this stuff up. I can remember bloggers when I started in 2006 trying to promote these crazy ideas!) I might add that online privacy standards, which you mentioned in your comment, have hardly kept up with Facebook's or even Google's tinkering, at least online, and standards seem to vary from Website to Website. I must confess I'm skeptical of much of this.

webmetricsguru
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
webmetricsguru   11/3/2011 7:13:18 AM
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The answer is Standards - and Standards bodies such as the Web Science Trust - taking on defining how to measue Social Media, how to collect it, much as the there have been standards set up for Web Caching, Privacy, IPv6, and so on.

Shawn Hessinger
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
Shawn Hessinger   11/3/2011 6:15:50 AM
Marshall,

And so the answer to getting a better read of social media data and what it could be telling us is...?

webmetricsguru
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
webmetricsguru   11/3/2011 12:52:07 AM
Well, not sure about that (comprhenensiveness) for a couple of reasons:

1. About 20% of humanity has access to the internet - and it's growing very quickly.

2. More people online and active = much more content

3.  Cloud and Big Data considered, it's very hard to get much of the data in any single repository and categorized in useful ways

4. More powerful mobile devices (mainly smartphones) are multiplying like jackrabbits.

5. As people are multiplexing their attention and taking their super powerful mobile devices with them everywhere they go - they are constantly "on" Social Media - creating more and more content which the analytics platforms are trying to store.

6. As time goes on, not only is the collection of tweets, blog posts, pubically shared Facebook posts, Photos, Video sites, Podcasts, RSS feeds going to muliply - but they will mushroom faster than any platform can index and categorize them in useful ways.

7. As more of the world that is non English speaking become content creators and content consumers - demands on the analytics plaforms to index and understand all this data will shoot past any abilities even the most comprhesnsive platform of them all, Google, to contain and represent.

 

The answer is - it's going to get worse as time goes on, not better.

webmetricsguru
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Re: Getting beyond unrepresentative sampling
webmetricsguru   11/3/2011 12:44:06 AM
Beth, actually no.  No DATA is better than bad data.

I'll reference the last paragraph of @gangel latest post at SemAngel - see http://semphonic.blogs.com/semangel/2011/10/pr-social-media-measurement.html

 

"When organizations don't understand how terribly biased their samples are, they will use them in the most inappropriate ways (such as using data sampled by "Influence" to measure brand sentiment or consumer interests). As I've said many times before, when it comes to making decisions, it's really much better to have no data than bad data."

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