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Buy or Sell? Sentiment Can Guide the Decision

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Noreen Seebacher
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emotional investing
Noreen Seebacher   11/1/2012 2:19:16 PM
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It's a longstanding rule of investing: Don't trade the news. Don't react to blips on the radar. Yet most investors do, so sentiment could help determine direction.

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Re: emotional investing
BethSchultz   11/1/2012 4:24:37 PM
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@noreen, I'd agree, a sentiment score could help them make more solid decisions on when and how to trade on the news since, as you say, they're going to do it anyways. With that said, though, I suppose some traders would misuse the sentiment scoring. Brown stressed this during our interview, in fact. He wanted to make sure readers understand that the scoring engine measures the tone of content not where the market is going to go based on that tone. Each trader will measure the market over their own time horizons -- are they wanting to act to optimize trading for a short-term market reaction or for a longer-term market reaction, for example? The market, as we know, can play out differently over different time horizons. So, for those who aren't careful, the metrics might be misleading. "But generally, it's a pretty accurate system," as Brown said. 

 

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Re: emotional investing
Noreen Seebacher   11/2/2012 7:23:57 AM
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All very good points Beth

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Re: emotional investing
BethSchultz   11/2/2012 9:43:46 AM
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@Noreen -- it is pretty interesting stuff, with lots more to come I suspect. Thomson Reuters already has expanded client options with market psych indices, available since the summer. This lets clients look at "behavioral-fueled finance" -- how much fear, joy, optimism, uncertainty, etc., are expressed in the articles, Brown said. They'd apply this sort of metric, available in a separate feed, to different categories like ag commodities, currencies or equity indices, or to countries, looking at trust, fear, etc., around, say, a regime change.

 

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Re: emotional investing
SaneIT   11/2/2012 8:06:46 AM
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When it mentions articles are they pulling those from a specific publication?  I can just see a stock taking a big dip because some blogger with an axe to grind does nothing but post anti Microsoft articles all day.  I would assume that they considered that and are only using industry based publications but even then you'd want to take those with a grain of salt when working out any kind of scoring.

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BethSchultz   11/2/2012 9:35:34 AM
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Hi SaneIT, Brown told me that for the basic service, TRNA would be scoring sentiment on articles served up by a premium news service like Reuters -- so, presumably, you're not going to find a bunch of crap in the mix. Depending on the size of the article, it can score about six to 10 articles/second. Clients vary in how they use the service -- some might want a daily score, and would get that from perhaps 10 articles/day. Others might want more of a weekly or monthly average view, and would be needing to take in much more content to come up with that metric, say 100 items a day. Clients that want to really dig into the content, self-selecting additional content sources, including blogs, would buy the software platform and bring it in house rather than relying on the basic service. 

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Re: emotional investing
WaqasAltaf   11/3/2012 8:38:24 AM
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@ Beth

"Brown told me that for the basic service, TRNA would be scoring sentiment on articles served up by a premium news service like Reuters -- so, presumably, you're not going to find a bunch of crap in the mix."

Thats a good strategy. To enhance the confidence in the scoring, it would be ideal if all the sources taken into account are disclosed, if not already being planned to be done. This is really important as many news agencies and analysts have a particularly biased view about certain companies; as rightly said by SaneIT.

 

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Re: emotional investing
SaneIT   11/5/2012 7:39:37 AM
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It's good to hear that their basic service seems to be aware that you have to be careful with the press when using them for weighting, but the additional services where they are looking for 100+ articles a day seems like they are going to give up a bit of the harder facts for opinion which could get a questionable.  I guess it would show how at least one segment feels about the company, I'd just want to dig deep into where the article were coming from before using them to make a decision.

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BethSchultz   11/5/2012 9:10:01 AM
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Hi Sane IT. I think with volume cames balance, in a sense -- and don't forget, the Reuters feed would be of business and financial services news from reputable sources. Beyond that, the clients would be selecting content sources. Not sure why anybody would want the entire Twitter "firehose" or obnoxiously opinionated blowhard bloggers, but if they do, they've got the perogative!

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SethBreedlove   11/5/2012 7:41:57 PM
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As an investor I would hesitate to let sentiment analyis be a guide without human evalution because a company's competitors could flood the media with information or information could be innacurate or misleading.  

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SaneIT   11/6/2012 9:00:47 AM
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That's what I was thinking, while Reuters or industry publications would be solid places to gather company sentiment I'd be very careful going outside that circle.

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Maryam@Impact   11/6/2012 10:03:58 AM
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I also agree that overuse of the news of the moment leads to emotional investing as we see in some of the record sell offs that are not based on true trends but news of the day. There really is no substitute for careful analytics and understanding of those implications.

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BethSchultz   11/6/2012 10:28:14 AM
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@SethBreedlove, sounds like you'd fall into the "as a circuit breaker" category Brown described: "If news comes out on IBM, the client will stop trading on it till a human can evaluate whether it should continue buying or selling -- whether it changes your investment hypothesis."

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Corroborating the social sentiment
WaqasAltaf   11/3/2012 8:24:46 AM
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Many of the investors are forced to make irrational decisions because of a particular sentiment in their social investing circle which might not be representative of the overall market sentiment in general or about a particular scrip. Corroborating the sentiment around you with the sentiment scoring derived by a specialized firm which considers into account sentiment of all types of media and reliable sources can result in helping an investor enhance his confidence before making an investment or divestment decision.

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