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Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
BethSchultz   1/27/2012 7:53:12 AM
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Paul, I agree that the dynamic and highly scalable nature of cloud infrastructure makes it a potentially good choice for handling increasingly intense analytics processing requirements. But I'm curious, from where you sit, is it more feasible, all things considered, to build a private cloud for analytics, go with an external private cloud provider, or use open public cloud infrastructure? I know the answer is likely to vary by company, but any general rules of thumb here?

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Paul Burns   1/27/2012 11:12:03 AM
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Thanks for comments and questions Beth.

 

> I know the answer is likely to vary by company, 

So true!

 

> but any general rules of thumb here?

Yes, I think there are at least a few.  Comparing the on-premise pivate cloud with the open public cloud:

- It would rarely be a good idea to build a private cloud solely for analytics (or solely for any single application or purpose).  To ensure a high utilization rate on a private cloud, you typically need many workloads or applications with different priorities and different consumption patterns that change over time. 

- However, if you have a private cloud, then it often makes sense to run everything you can on that until you are out of capacity (or running at max target utilization).  Of course, this means prioritizing different applications, allowing some to run at off peak times, and so on. Ultimately he private cloud should run at high utilization rates, otherwise it becomes more like traditional fixed infrastructure that suffers from low utilization rates.

- Assuming you have a private cloud, a big question is how well the application "fits" the private cloud? Does the private cloud have capacity? Is it available when the analytics app needs to run? If so, then the private cloud is probably a good choice.

Whether you have a private cloud or not, if you need very large amounts of compute resources for short periods of time, you may need the capacity of a public cloud.

Other considerations are location of your data and the cost / time to move the data to/from a public cloud. Data transfer costs can add up.

Also, if there are governance issues that restrict data from being stored in a public cloud, that would be an important consideration.

Hope it helps!




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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Shawn Hessinger   1/27/2012 11:34:45 AM
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Oooops. Sorry, Paul. See you've already answered my question about private clouds. Thanks! I think the cloud is a good option for companies without the resources for developing their own analytics infrastructure, but, as you say, these questions should always be decided on a case by case basis.  

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
BethSchultz   1/27/2012 12:44:40 PM
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Paul -- great rules of thumb. I especially think the cost and time of transferring data into and out of the cloud (plus potential integration and, of course, privacy, challenges) are factors that IT execs must pay particular attention when weighing whether to move analytics processing in the cloud. Best to start working toward an understanding of that now before data voiumes get so overwhelming public cloud becomes the only reasonable option!

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Shawn Hessinger   1/27/2012 11:30:12 AM
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Hi Beth. I'm curious. Isn't cloud computing usually a shared resource where you pay for what you use as needed thus avoiding infrastructure costs? What would be the advantage of building a private cloud for analytics (I'm assuming you're talking about one created for the exclusive use of one company or organization) and what exactly would this look like?  

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Paul Burns   1/27/2012 11:59:30 AM
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Hi Shawn - I saw your other comment as well, thanks.  Still, I'll go ahead and add a couple more thoughts...

One of the great cloud computing debates has been public versus private clouds. Some people strongly say that private, on-premise clouds are not really clouds or not really cloud computing. There are some good points there... private clouds involve capital expenditures, they are not pay-per-use driven, they don't match the massive scale of public clouds, and so on.

However, other people feel just as strongly that private clouds offer a legitimate cloud computing model. I'm in this camp. My thoughts are that private clouds *do* still offer many of the core characteristics of cloud computing: elasticity, multi-tenancy (even across business units / partners etc.), higher efficiency, greater automation, APIs, self-service interfaces and so on.  Also, there are public and private clouds based on the same software! So, they can have the same functionality.  To me it is most important to recognize the differences and unique benefits of each. The terminology becomes more of a religious debate.  

Enterprise IT organizations in particular seem to like private clouds for:

- improved efficiency over their *traditional* IT

- direct control over the entire infrastruture

- governance issues, where data must be kept locally

Since, IMO, private clouds produce business value, they ought to be acknowledged as legitimate.

Perhaps more than you needed to know!

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Shawn Hessinger   1/27/2012 1:08:22 PM
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Hi Paul,

Great conversation! As a bit of a follow up, in a recent Gartner survey we'll be blogging more about soon Cloud and SaaS are used interchangeably though obviously they aren't the same. From your perspective, what are the practical differences between Cloud and SaaS in the field of analytics and BI.

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Paul Burns   1/27/2012 2:07:21 PM
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Hi Shawn,

Let's start with "cloud." As I'm sure you've seen, cloud and cloud computing are often over-used. In the extreme over-use case, people use "cloud" to refer to just about anything connected to the Internet. The term "cloud washing" is used to describe situations where something that is not cloud is called cloud (sometimes in marketing situations).

To narrow the definition of cloud a bit, three primary service models are most commonly used to describe cloud computing:

1. Infrastructure as a service (IaaS)

2. Platform as a service (PaaS)

3. Software as a service (SaaS)

The "as a service" pattern is easy to spot, so people often run with that and start coming up with *anything* as a service and call that cloud computing.

While it is true that there is a huge trend to turn alls kinds of things into services, simply delivering something as a service does not make it cloud.

To further clarify, cloud services should generally have a distinct set of characteristics that may include:

- resource pooling (gathering resources so they can be aggregated and shared)

- elasticity (scale both up and down)

- multi-tenancy (enabling multiple distinct users - even different paying customers - to transparently share the same underlying resources)

- etc.

Of course it is still gray because people argue which characteristics "must" be part of a solution for it to be called cloud and so on. Still, that gives most people a pretty good sense of what cloud computing is (and is not).

That said... analytics can be delivered through SaaS.  That is essentially a multi-tenant application that is delivered by a service provider on a pay-per-use basis. Users don't have to own/install/configure hardware and software. They just use the analytics application -- supplying their own data.

For IaaS, people can use some form of an IaaS cloud (public/private, on/off premise...).  In the case of a public IaaS, the customer doesn't own or directly manage the share, elastic, multi-tenant infrastructure. They just use what they need and pay for that. They must add their own analytics application -- buy it, install it, configure it etc.  The analytics app must (genearlly) be architected to scale-out as more compute or other resources are needed. IaaS clouds are great at scaling out... just keep adding more inexpensive servers to get faster analytics (as opposed to buying larger more powerful servers to scale up).

Whew... lots of background simply to call out a few differences between IaaS and SaaS based analytics.

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Cordell   1/27/2012 7:21:33 PM
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The issue of control is important. If you're leveraging the cloud to use when you need it you don't want to be told you're in line because a bigger higher paying customer cut in front of you.  I suspect that's why many opt for private clouds at least initially.

Also, we used to deliver analytics as a service in the form of credit scores calculated real time and delivered to loan origination systems on demand.  That's different than getting a score from the bureaus which are usually just calculated in batch and populated to the files.  To be clear these were custom or proprietary scores - not standard FICO scores.

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Paul Burns   1/27/2012 8:11:59 PM
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Hi Cordell - Thanks for the comments. Regarding higher paying customers cutting in front, I wonder if that concept comes from Amazon Web Services (AWS) spot instances. Those cloud servers go to the highest bidder. The idea (at least for many users) is to take advantage of lower prices at off peak hours when cloud servers are more available. AWS also offers reserved instances that can't be taken away by higher bidders -- this is the usual scenario. Most providers operate strictly on a reservation basis like this.

The credit scores on demand sounds interesting. I like the real-time nature of what you did. I could imagine the demand for that fluctuating quite a bit.

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Shawn Hessinger   1/27/2012 10:18:49 PM
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Cordell,

Do you know of any specific example where the incident you're describing (a subscriber having to wait in line for service behind a higher paying customer) actually happened? I've never heard this complaint from cloud users but maybe you've heard of a situation I have not. I suspect the real reason for private clouds has to do with concern over data security...and perhaps the idea that companies should have direct control and ownership over their data management system.  

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Cordell   1/28/2012 12:34:58 AM
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@Shawn.  No specific incidents but when I worked at a large credit card processer the big clients always got priority.  It wasn't exactly cloud though.  More like outsourced.  While many services were shared, larger clients had dedicated teams, hardware, systems etc.  But every organization has limited resources.  If they get slammed they'll have to make decisions about who gets priority. For efficiency a cloud servicer probably isn't going to build a whole bunch of extra capacity until it's demanded.

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Shawn Hessinger   1/28/2012 11:44:09 AM
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Hi Cordell,

I'd also add that since cloud providers offering everything from software to hosting and just about any other tool or solution imaginable, including BI and analytics, have focused their marketing on small or medium sized companies who can't afford much infrastructure, at least at the outset, it seems to me it would not be in their own best interest to make the little guys wait. In the beginning, at least with other services, that has been their core market.

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Broadway   1/28/2012 3:04:02 PM
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Shawn, that is an excellent point. The cloud provider perhaps at least needs a dedicated support team for SMBs and a separate support team for enterprise-size clients. Or is that asking too much of these cloud providers?

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Shawn Hessinger   1/28/2012 11:35:00 PM
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Hi Broadway,

I guess my point is that the whole idea of cloud providers and their whole business model is built around the idea of offering reliable computing, including analytics, for a fee. I'm thinking of cloud services in the broadest possible sense here. In businesses I have been involved with in the past, we provided a variety of services completely reliant on cloud support of a sort, providers who maintained our hosting, Web templates, constantly upgraded publishing software, even Web analytics, monetizing and marketing tools. There was no such thing as having the services suddenly unavailable one day because a bigger client needed them. (And there were much larger clients than us!) Customers simply would have left en masse. Just because you don't develop and own your own infrastructure or have your own IT department does not make these services any less reliable. Cloud services must be reliable for all their customers or else the providers of those services simply won't have any.    

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Re: Inside Your Datacenter, or Out?
Joe Stanganelli   1/29/2012 9:01:06 PM
Of course, cloud computing *is* a form of outsourcing.  The point is well taken.

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Shawn Hessinger   1/30/2012 7:59:26 PM
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Hi Joe,

Though I think a lot of us have used and thought of cloud computing primarily this way, there are private cloud computing applications built around, as Paul says, the need for "many workloads or applications with different priorities and different consumption patterns that change over time." See Paul's further explanation here. Of course, Paul says a debate exists between those who might argue private clouds aren't really clouds at all and those who say they are. I suspect the truth is that in some circles, cloud is simply synonymous with outsourced computing when perhaps a better definition has to do with how that service is built and delivered. 

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Joe Stanganelli   2/1/2012 7:13:27 PM
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I tend to be much simpler, and think of cloud storage as the opposite of local storage, for the most part.

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BethSchultz   1/27/2012 12:48:34 PM
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To elaborate on Paul's answer, Shawn, enterprises often start with private clouds -- run internal to their data centers or at an externally hosted site, to gain the benefits of that type of infrastructure -- highly dynamic, scalable, available to users on demand -- but maintain control of data to meet privacy mandates and what-not that they can't in the public cloud. 

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Shawn Hessinger   1/27/2012 1:12:18 PM
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Hi Beth,

Our conversation thread is moving fast and furious today so missed your last two comments before my last response to Paul was posted. Thanks for the clarification on private cloud. Appreciate it and thanks for the additional specifics and perspective.

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Paul Burns   1/27/2012 2:08:32 PM
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Well said!

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