Bryan Beverly

Managers: Do They Help or Hinder?

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rbaz
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Re: No magic job description
rbaz   1/19/2017 1:46:31 PM
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No question that the manic job description for manager doesn't exist. So many aspects, traits and skills needed for so many different functions, and the functions are forever changing or evolving. I have yet to come across a manager that is flawless in all aspects needed. So the functional or effective ones have no shortcoming strong enough to undermine the pertinent strengths that he or she bring.

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impactnow   1/19/2017 1:22:37 PM
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I have had many different types of managers and I don't think there is a job description that works for every manager, it depends on the type of job and the type of employees being managed. If your employees are senior with experience the required management style is different. If the employees are more junior, the style needs to accommodate more hand holding. Managers and employees are a marriage of sort, and like marriages, some work and some fail for a myriad of reasons. The only managers I have found toxic are the ones that are uncomfortable in their own job or ones that intrinsically distrust their employees.Those managers create environments that make it difficult for anyone to succeed, including themselves.

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Re: Understand the Role of a Manager
louisw900   1/18/2017 4:48:57 PM
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@Bryan   He sure did !     It goes something like this, over 6'4 ?    He or she must be a great leader !   If this kind of thought process wasn't a reality, I would think it more funny.  But it is real, very real.

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louisw900   1/18/2017 4:44:45 PM
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@Bryan    lol   Sounds like a great idea to me and after your U-Tube based Program has run it's course ( meaning tied up in lawsuits), you can always run for President !  

And Make America Great Again !

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bkbeverly   1/18/2017 3:05:07 PM
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@Louis, You are welcome! I am a big Dilbert fan. Scott Adams gets to the issues in a great way.  Especially about the tall managers with silver executive hair cuts; he nailed it.

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Re: Understand the Role of a Manager
bkbeverly   1/18/2017 3:02:15 PM
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@Louis, That may be the dirty little secret of MBA programs.  If they are not mass producing game-changing managers every June and revolutionizing organizations, then what may really be happening is that they are generating revenue to produce credentials that may or may not have any impact on organizational outcomes.  Man, I'm in the wrong business; think that I will set up an on-line MBA program tonight - send me $1000 and I will send you the You Tube links (SMILE).  Makes me think about a university owned by the incoming POTUS; that school came under a lot of fire ...

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louisw900   1/18/2017 1:22:03 PM
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Oh and thanks for the Dilbert's Bryan, nothing reflects the moronic nature of business better than a good Dilbert's strip.

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louisw900   1/18/2017 1:15:55 PM
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@Bryan    You make a great point regarding how did we ever progress as a society without the vaunted MBA  degree and it's subsequent training. 

Although I did not waste my time or money on this path - it is clear that this program does little to produce an effective manager.  What it does produce is more revenue for Universities.

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louisw900   1/18/2017 1:00:25 PM
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@kq4ym    I couldn't agree more.  For companies to think an MBA degree makes one a better than average manager is a fallacy.  In addition to the qualities you mention, it is experience working with people of all types and learning from these experiences that makes the difference here.

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louisw900   1/18/2017 12:17:31 PM
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@Bryan    Thanks for asking this question.  Why are good managers so hard to find ?  Well of course this is a many faceted question.   I think it has to do with the individual and the company that one chooses to work for ( as PC notes ).  What makes a good manager  IMO is the same thing that makes a next level Analyst - namely the human element.  Anyone can learn the skills of Management, but it is the intangibles that make the difference - that will cause someone to go the extra mile when it is called for.  People will go the extra mile for more pay but when that is not available what will motivate them ?   Their belief in the company and the interpersonal relationships that they have at the company. 

I recall that when I was an undergrad in Business School, there was little to no mention of the human factors of Management.   While the tools of business were introduced and practiced, this is only half the issue.

How do you motivate an individual or team ?   It is not by charts and projections - it is about having a connection.  We have seen this most effectively with companies and start-ups in the Silicon Valley for instance.  It is the ability to understand that maybe a few of your team members might be counterproductive to the interpersonal dynamics of the current team and to hire this type of individual moving forward because you "did not see it coming "  in effect does more harm than good. 

This speaks to the background of the manager themselves as well - I have known many "managers" who have not ascended to their role because they were qualified or  had any traditional business training and thus think this is the way it is supposed to be.  So they tend to hire and promote people like themselves while those who have a background are overlooked because this "manager" cannot relate or is threaten by their existence.

I am not so sure MBA programs answer any of the issues I have exposed here, from what I recall when I was considering going for this "badge of honor" is that I would be learning more models which would probably be outdated by the time I graduated.  

But to answer your question, I think the qualities that make a good manager are innate  yet they can be taught to a certain extent, but I would rather a person come into a team or company with a good sense of empathy towards others already, rather than to expect them to have it after they enter an enterprise whose main goal is profit.  

As we all understand, most Companies are only concerned with profit and loss, but it is the human element that most affects how of much of either a company can expect to have.

I hope I was able to answer your question to a certain extent and I thank you Bryan for giving me the opportunity to address it.  Looking forward to hearing your and the communities  thoughts on this question that may never be complelely understood or adequately addressed. 

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