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Lyndon_Henry
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Re: Data and the truth
Lyndon_Henry   1/6/2017 10:33:01 PM
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Kq4ym writes

I wonder how voting might be changed, and some sense of more fairness might result if at some future date we were able to vote securely online continuously and have results instantaeously published.



 

I'd suggest that converting to a system based on democracy determined by majority vote might be a modest improvement ...

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kq4ym
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Re: Data and the truth
kq4ym   12/26/2016 11:21:18 AM
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I wonder how voting might be changed, and some sense of more fairness might result if at some future date we were able to vote securely online continuously and have results instantaeously published. The monitoring of just how the vote stands at any timeline would encouage "fence sitters" to cast a vote, and probably lead to no real surprised in voting results, and maybe less disputes about election results? 

Joe Stanganelli
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Re: Data and the truth
Joe Stanganelli   11/30/2016 6:33:29 PM
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@Broadway: Do we have data on how many people stayed home to vote by state, and what their parties/political leanings were?  (I'm not convinced Hillary would have gotten an overwhelming majority of the non-voters.  Moreover, I suspect that most "conscientious non-voter" libertarian-types were leaning Trump.)

Certainly the Oregon protesters -- if local to the state -- wouldn't have made a difference because Hillary won Oregon.

Joe Stanganelli
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Re: Data and the truth
Joe Stanganelli   11/30/2016 6:30:50 PM
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> the media in general.

@Maryam: My point exactly.

While Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were a bit of a surprise (really, all the Donald needed, more or less, were the expected red states + Florida (which was declared for him pretty early)), the top two polls, along with other prognosticators with excellent reputations for predicting Presidential elections, were giving it to him.

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Re: Data and the truth
impactnow   11/30/2016 2:05:26 PM
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Possibly but not assured, it depends on whether those individuals were making a statement or whether they thought their vote didn't matter.

Broadway0474
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Re: Data and the truth
Broadway0474   11/30/2016 12:09:02 AM
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While we're on counterfactuals, you could argue that more accurate polls would have inspired many of the people who sat at home to come out to vote, driving the mere thousands of votes that HRC needed in certain swing states to win.

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impactnow
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Re: Data and the truth
impactnow   11/29/2016 9:45:18 PM
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Very true but I don't think anyone predicted the disparity that we actually saw . I think the expectation was that it would be close not that he would win 302 electoral votes. That seemed to simply stun the media in general.

Joe Stanganelli
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Re: Looking forward to it
Joe Stanganelli   11/29/2016 1:23:53 PM
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Worth noting that less-than-accurate polls led to a lot of the strife and discord right now.

Had the majority of polls -- as well as the mainstream media -- actually reported that Trump was doing well and taken his campaign seriously, I suspect that a lot of the violent discord that we've seen in reaction to Trump's win would have been rather tempered.

People don't like surprises.

Broadway0474
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Re: Looking forward to it
Broadway0474   11/28/2016 9:59:59 PM
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Joe, have you been paying attention to this election season. It's the season of connivers, manipulators, vindictive and sneaky types, as well as people who protest an election they didn't vote in and sore winners who aren't comfortable enough with their win to stop lying. It is certainly time for people to waste their time just to waste a pollster's.

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