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kq4ym
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Re: Data Science programs
kq4ym   1/7/2017 4:47:20 PM
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Lowering education fees and associated costs should go a long way toward alleviating the as mentioned "100,000-190,000 shortfall by 2020 and 2017, respectively." With the demand growing as employers wanting to shorten their costs in hiring qualified professionals, there would seem to be a real need to get more folks into the pipeline sooner rather than later.

Zimana
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Re: Data Science programs
Zimana   1/5/2017 11:57:48 AM
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Mentors from outside industries would certainly be helpful - aids innovation for having perspective beyond the technical aspects of data science.

Ariella
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Re: Data Science programs
Ariella   1/1/2017 12:40:56 AM
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@Broadway the oral exams are a cake walk compared to the dissertation defense! I speak from experience. For regular careers, you have a type of oral exam at any interview in which you have to prove your technical knowledge on the spot.

Ariella
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Re: Data Science programs
Ariella   1/1/2017 12:38:41 AM
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@terry I currently have kids in college and do get into this discussion. One is inclined to just go on to graduate school straight, but I tell her that certain programs -- certainly for MBAs and the like -- want to see some relevant work experience and even assume that you'd be working while pursuing the degree. So I've been trying to direct her to pursue what she can in terms of internships to improve her chances going forward. I've also told her to speak to people in various fields, and some have pointed out that they have learned a lot more on the job than in school.

Ariella
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Re: Data Science programs
Ariella   1/1/2017 12:35:24 AM
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@rbaz yes, in fact, the only majors that lead directly to a career are accounting, computer science, engineering, and math -- for acutaries. Everything else is just considered a general degree that can perhaps preprare you for graduate study in the same field (i.e. economics, sociology, history, English, etc.) but not qualify you directly for a job. 

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Re: Data Science programs
Broadway0474   12/31/2016 5:49:33 PM
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Get these grad students in real world internships for a semester or two. Get them mentors with industry professionals and or professors with real world experience. Save the oral examinations for the Ph.D. Students.

T Sweeney
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Re: Data Science programs
T Sweeney   12/31/2016 2:39:18 PM
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I hear what you're saying, @ariella, but with most grad programs, the emphasis is on practical knowledge and applicable skillsets. We want smart, well-rounded data scientists, but aren't their intellicetual bona fides assumed if they're in a grad program?

Maybe what needs to change are requirements for completion whereby grads demonstrate a clear understanding of how $&%# really works, data-wise, in the business realm... an oral exam that puts them through their paces and shows who's challenged themselves in their course work and internships.

T Sweeney
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Re: Data Science programs
T Sweeney   12/31/2016 2:31:50 PM
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This theme of booksmart but inexperienced comes uppretty regularly on A2. Practicums and internships may be able to address this, but I'm forced to wonder yet agaibn, how much can they adjust/overhaul the curriculum to mold grads of these programs in ways that make them more employable immediately?

Seems like requiring even a little hands-on experience would start to bust up this conundrum a bit.

Broadway0474
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Re: Data Science programs
Broadway0474   12/31/2016 12:22:08 AM
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PC, I think institutions of higher learning are well aware of their threat in their midst. Many are acting in response by partnering with MOOC firms, or by creating their own online ed departments. Some are even lowering their prices. It's early days still.

PredictableChaos
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Re: Data Science programs
PredictableChaos   12/30/2016 5:48:31 PM
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@Ariella and @tomsg -

Higher education is overdue for some changes. College is too expensive and hasn't come to terms with online options that are rapidly becoming better.

Like with print media and retail, the choice is either adapt or die.

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