- 10/15/2016 1:05:27 PM
@Jim: If the nonprofits need volunteers, then they should call it that -- and not an internship. Nonprofits are a business like any other.
Reminds me of when I worked for a nonprofit theatre one summer. I overheard the General Manager of the theatre talking w/ the Box Office Manager about subscriptions and "profits." Naive 18-year-old me piped up, "Wait, I thought we were *not-for-profit*."
The General Manager -- a big, burly, old guy -- boffoed as he clapped me on the shoulder. "Kid, EVERY business is for profit."
- 10/15/2016 12:59:04 PM
@Jim: Agreed! Except that there is something to be said for getting hands-on experience learning how to fix copier errors and do a Mail Merge in Word. ;)
I'm reminded of my work-study funded summer externship/fellowship with the Nevada Attorney General's Office. In addition to being valuable experience, I wound up making more money on an hourly basis that summer at the casinos than at my actual job. ;)
- 9/29/2016 8:13:57 AM
Jamescon, I am not arguing your points. I totally agree with you. I think the problems persists because students are willing to put up with it, particularly in certain fields like nonprofits and media.
- by Jamescon, Editor
- 9/28/2016 8:52:56 AM
@Broadway. I don't think there are a lot of companies that can't afford to pay an intern $100 to $200 or 10 or 20 hours of work. If the work/project is so marginal in value, then don't do it. If it means future revenue, it's only fair to pay the intern.
True, some non-profits need volunteer interns to get started, but they need to put those people on a course to where they can get paid if they stick with the organization.
As for the prestigious firms, those like a Google or FB certainly can afford to pay and should. Sports teams? A ticket in the nosebleed section of the third deck doesn't really qualify as pay for the number of hours those young interns put in (sometimes for two years or more) just in hope of eventually getting hired.
Ask the executives at those prestigious firms or the athletes and managers on sports teams whether they would give up a week's pay just for the honor of working or playing for that organization. The volunteers will be rare. (The Wells Fargo CEO being the exception, passing up $41 million just to save his own bacon).
- 9/28/2016 8:17:53 AM
Jamescon, I have to agree that really only firms that can't afford to pay interns should get away with that behavior. Or maybe outfits that are high prestige, like a pro sports team, where interns would get other perks like being at games. Otherwise, top firms pay interns top dollars to attract top talent.
- by Jamescon, Editor
- 9/27/2016 9:52:35 AM
@Joe. Your points about paid vs unpaid internships got me thinking about how to gain value from internships. I've always been an advocate for ensuring that internships involve real work related to the student's field of interest. I've seen instances where interns were limited to standing at a copy machine pressing "start" and sorting copies, and where they have been stuck copying names and addresses from printouts into Excel. Those are jobs that shout, "Don't want to work here."
Even if the interns have to do some grunt work like that, they should also be getting some time to shadow professionals in meetings, on site inspections, or on sales calls, etc. That's where they learn whether they really want to work in their chosen field or work for the company.
However, your post made me wonder why any organization would hire unpaid interns. (Even if they are getting college credit you can stand up to the school and say the kid needs the money.). You would be paying them what amounts to little more than pennies ($10/hr) in comparison to the provden professionals on staff. Even such minimal pay would tell them that your company values them and other employees. Unless yours is a super low-budget non-profit it can afford $100 a week for 10 hours of good work. And, it doesn't hurt to let those interns accept the fact that they -- like the rest of us -- are getting into their profession not just for the "love of the game" but for the reward of a paycheck as well.
- 9/26/2016 4:48:44 PM
Yeah, interns in general have to be either paid or they have to get course credit or something similar. And sometimes they have to be paid anyway, depending upon the circumstances.
There are exceptions. The public sector can be one -- where a coveted internship position at a government agency may sometimes be for peanuts if no $$$ at all (i.e., a volunteer position) unless funded by a work-study program or something similar.
(DISCLAIMER: Not legal advice. You are not my client; I am not your lawyer. I am unreliable. Do not trust me.)
- 9/26/2016 4:46:28 PM
@Louis: Yeah, but the issue has to be framed correctly. The proper comparison is not summer internship at Google vs. work at the local ice-cream stand. The proper comparison is summer internship at Google vs. summer internship at Microsoft vs. summer internship at Twitter vs. summer internship at Amazon vs. summer internship at Apple vs. summer internship at Facebook vs. summer internship at any of a bazillion other Silicon Valley or other high-profile tech companies.
So if you're talented enough to work at Google, you're probably also talented enough to work at at least one of those others. And so it is for all of them. They are all competing against each other for top talent -- and they also want that top talent to sing their praises to their similarly talented peers once the internship is over.
- by louisw900, Blogger
- 9/16/2016 10:54:57 PM
No Trumps in California that I know of, though I do remember him buying a golf course in the area.
And I am pretty sure the politics of California don't work well with Trump family business practices and principles.
Anyway, You are right that movie did nothing to improve Google's brand, come to think of it, they were probably trying to recoup Google Glass losses.
- 9/16/2016 10:37:37 PM
So are Ivanka's interns not in California? Anyway, after hanging out with business school students for a few years, I realized than anyone not getting paid for an internship --- and getting a lot --- is an idiot. So ultimately, I don't fault anyone involved in this process, though I fault Google for being in that bad Intern movie.