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Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/9/2014 7:33:04 AM
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Well, if they worked anything like their product evangelists claim then I would call it a crutch but the truth is they don't even come close from what I've seen.  So that crutch is more like a spear that you keeping stabbing into your own side.  If you're running some very vanilla pre packaged systems with no customizations then the tools can be good enough to get you by.  If you've got anything that is even remotely unique then you're going to have a really tough time getting what you need.  They do come with some pretty canned reports and dashboards but unless you are a canned company they fall short.  

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 3:47:25 PM
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Jim,

Science does not have "workarounds".

Here's how many get into the BI/Analytics business:

https://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&item=5925649452500017155&type=member&gid=73235&midToken=AQGMzhCTg5EtHg&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=22bej4RmhZiCs1

Do you think they can do science, with or without certification?

 

 

 

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 3:20:44 PM
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 How can people without a scientific education do science?

 

@db  Agreed.  Once upon a time I was pre-med, so I appreciate your statement.  I don't understand it either.   

This oddity doesn't just apply to the field of science of course, it surfaces in just about every field.

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 3:07:04 PM
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Should there every be a way to get to an out of the box system that works simply it will be worth it's weight in gold I'm sure.

 

 

@kq4ym    No doubt.  I think if that there were to happen - one could safely say,  " Move over Google".

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 3:03:17 PM
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These do it all tools are really just a crutch for those who don't really understand the underlying fundamentals of what they are entrusted to do. 

Rather than hire a DBA or even listen to the ones in-house, these individuals are all too eager to place their career and the fortunes of the company in the hands of these "all-in-one tools".

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 8:12:42 AM
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It sounds more like hype to get a good story more than a real tool that works of course. Likening it to a perpetual motion machine may very well be an apt comment. Should there every be a way to get to an out of the box system that works simply it will be worth it's weight in gold I'm sure.

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/8/2014 7:27:35 AM
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@Jamescon, I wish.  Welcome to the world of being locked in to bad design because moving away is even more painful than pushing forward.  I have a good relationship with the developer and we talk fairly often, but even with major version changes they have no desire to make this less messy.  It is a very specialized system and there is nothing else out there that can function the way we need it to (I've spent a lot of time looking).  Some of the problems will be smoothed out a bit as they transition to a browser based interface which means there has to be an API of some sort that we can use, until then it's a lot of digging and asking developers where they hid something.

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/7/2014 2:01:58 PM
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That is precisely why I frown on the term "data science".

No real scientist would do what the so-called "data scientists" do these days.

I left academia years ago because people WITH a scientific education were not doing science.  How can people without a scientific education do science?

 

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/7/2014 10:04:33 AM
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@SaneIT. Given the challenge of pulling data out of the mishmash of tables, views, etc. that you describe and that has built up over many years, do you see a way to get a fresh start so that -- for new apps at least -- data becomes more accessible down the road?

Re: The why behind the issue
  • 10/7/2014 8:09:02 AM
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I have talks about this nearly every day.  I hear a lot of "we need this data and that data combined so that we can report on it"  Then I show them the hundreds of table, hundreds of views, columns named by a developer who was probably trying not to stomp on someone else's table and cryptic codes that are translated in software so you have to beg the developer not only where to find them but what they mean.  A catch all product that just works out of the box is like a perpetual motion machine.  You can fake it for about as long as it takes someone to start asking intelligent questions so if you find the right audience you can probably sell it and run before they catch on.

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