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Data Tells: Dissecting Every Day Data
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Thanks again for your time John !   Have a great day everyone and I hope to see you on the boards !  Here's to the constant questioning of data and conclusions.

Blogger

@Jessica than you, too!

Data Doctor

@John LOL yes, i'd say you are somewhat optimstic! BTW it's not just math and stats that work. My kid feels a lot more grounded in world issues after having studied history for her AP exams (and she got a 5). She shakes her head at the ignorance of history she sees around her. It's all about understanding causation and context.

Data Doctor

Thanks everybody for joining us today. A big thanks to John H. Johnson for being our guest!

 

Blogger

Thank you everyone for the great show and your blog questions.  I have to go now, but I really appreciate your interest.   All the best!

Prospector

@John    Thanks for conveying that most understand fallacious conculsions when they hear them, lets hope individuals continue to question statements and not just take them as a unquestioned truth.

Blogger

@ariella  I do agree.  That why I wrote the book in part!  And I think just getting people talking about these issues--and not so afraid of statistics--is a great start.  Perhaps I am just an optimist about data literacy at heart...

Prospector

@john but still they have to have someone bring it to their attention. So many headlines and even the data visualizations that accompany them sneak in correlations as causations in a way that can look convincing for those who don't question the data, the logic, and the relationships.

Data Doctor

@louisw I think there is a tendency for people to overlook obvious statistical fallacies.  Starbucks is a great example.  But I am struck when I speak to audiences that after they hear the Starbucks story, they seem to not only get it but often tell me later that they thought of several other examples of similarly misleading relationships. So I think not all hope is lost!

Prospector

Ah yes, thanks for the link Jessica !

Blogger

@John  It sounds like there is a real issue with fallacious reasoning throughout society, what are your thoughts regarding those who don't have the training to see through an erroneous conclusion ?  How do we address this issue ?  Is it too late ?     I am thinking of your Starbucks example in particuliar.

Blogger

@Jessica thanks for the link.

Data Doctor

Oh, and here's a link to John Johnson's book: https://www.amazon.com/Everydata-Misinformation-Hidden-Little-Consume/dp/1629561010/ref=sr_1_1?

Blogger

Thanks, John for the enlightening presenation!

Data Doctor

Hello everyone.  It was my pleasure to join the show today!

 

Prospector

Thanks to John H. Johnson for joining us today! He has a few minutes to answer questions here.

 

Blogger

Thank you John, Jessica and SAS this was a great show !    Maybe you can come back again John ?

Blogger

@Alex that's what I try to do. I look at RW and LW coverages and consider the truth is somewhere in between. However, some sources are less reliable about certain issues than others, something you also learn after a while.

Data Doctor

@Alex Pixley   And Let's hope that responsible adults also follow suit.....

Blogger

@Alex Pixley     Excellent point, something I am going to have to incorporate into my quest for Truth or at least as close as I can possibily get to it.

Blogger

@louis Get news from multiple places (e.g. Fox, NPR, BBC, AlJazera, etc.) and see where the common stories intersect.  That intersection is probably fairly close to the "truth".

Prospector

@Louis agreed. watching the news makes you a more passive consumer of it, so you are less likely to think through and question what you are told than when you read it, especially if you read the same news story as reported in more than one source.

Data Doctor

@Ariella   I am. The Media/Press used to be a safeguard against the manipulation of facts, but even they now use shortcuts that leave a person who wants more than fluff wondering how these facts (assertions) were constructed.

I read a lot more News than I watch on TV but it appears that most of the population still take TV based news as the end all, be all.   And that is a problem.

Blogger

@Jessica but actually I hate those clickbaity headlines and lose respect for the publications that run them.

Data Doctor

@Louis you sound really jaded by it. This is one reason I prefer to read news. It allows me to skip the parts I don't want -- unlike televised news.

Data Doctor

When will the media ever list how they come up with their data ?  It might take a few more minutes during the broadcast but they could shorten meaningless pieces that they seem to show ad nauseam. 

Blogger

Very often headlines claim a lot more than the data included in the body of the article would warrant

Data Doctor

But wouldn't you need to get the data on what the Deputy Mayor and the Mayor earn within the same city to make the correlations meaningful?

Data Doctor

"scorched earth" approach to numbers, interesting.

Data Doctor

@Louis glad you got it to work!

Data Doctor

Watch out for blocked plugins !   That was my problem.  All good now.....

Blogger

Coming in clear here!

Master Analyst

Oh, yes, many people think of themselves as not math people and so don't look at the figures for themselves, relying on the presentation of others of what they mean.

Data Doctor

I am not hearing anything yet.....

Blogger

@Candace25 yes, it came right on.

Data Doctor

Fake News = Content for the sake of Content.  It is the unfortunate outcome of a Web gone wild.  Fake news is unfortunately here to stay, which makes it all the more important that individuals have the means to decifer what is real news.   I will be waiting for this but I will not hold my breathe.

Blogger

Hi All,

Is anyone hearing the radio show audio?

Prospector

Indeed, that correlation confusion is often used to manipulate people. 

Data Doctor

Welcome RicardoJ137 !

Blogger

Hello, everyone.

Data Doctor

When will society address the real issue with "Fake News" ?  The inability of most individuals to decipher that what they are reading\hearing is indeed fake.

Blogger

@BrianN060    Excellent point.  Have we been trusting data all along ?  I know I am skeptical of just about everything and that includes data.

Blogger

Hello Everyone, Looking forward to this show !

Blogger
See you there
Prospector

This show has been rescheduled to Tuesday, July 11 at 2 PM ET / 11 AM PT. We hope you can join us then for this exciting discussion!

Master Analyst

Looking forward to this show!

Blogger

"But can we even trust data anymore?" -  Anymore?  You mean you've been trusting data all along?

Prospector


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